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Lay Pastor Charged With Sex Assault Save Email Print
Posted: 8:19 PM Apr 24, 2008
 Last Updated: 1:27 AM Apr 25, 2008
 Reporter: Lauri Martin
Email Address: lmartin@kktv11news.com
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A lay pastor at a church is now charged with sexual assault on a child. Fifty-one-year-old Jon Moore worked at Lighthouse Baptist Church near Austin Bluffs and Academy...until recently.

Moore is accused of sexually assaulting a teen over the course of about three years. The assaults allegedly started in 2004, but the victim has only recently come forward.

She told Springs police this all happened while Moore was an assistant pastor at the church, but members said his title was "assistant to the pastor.”

She alleges he put lotion on her shoulders, back and stomach, then he went underneath her bra, making statements like "You know you want this." That's how a teenage girl alleged her relationship began with Jon Moore.

It's all spelled out in a seven-page police report. The teen said she met Moore when she started going to Lighthouse Baptist Church and was dating his son. She alleged in one instance, he assaulted her during a church camp-out while his family was nearby, but not looking.

When they weren't together, the report details more sexual behavior would take place over webcams.

11 News went to Jon Moore's home, but his son said we were not welcome and shut all the doors to the house.

Neighbors were shocked when we told about the allegations. “Oh my gosh,” said Melissa Slater. “I have two little girls."

“He made a mistake and he's paying for it," said Pete McGill. He works at the church and knows Moore. He said the church family's heart is broken.

"The church, when we got the news, went into mourning, then we went to the Bible. We have to forgive our brother," cried an emotional McGill.

The abuse reportedly ended about a year and a half ago. According to the papers, the teenage girl recently called Moore in the presence of police and recorded the conversation.

The teen told Moore she would still be a virgin if it weren't for him. He supposedly replied, "I know, why do you have to throw that in my face?"

Police said Moore was arrested five days after that conversation and charged with sexual assault on a child by a person in a position of trust.

The church said he can return in the near future, but only as a church member.
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Posted by: outsider on Jul 2, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Member-I don't believe all the former members on here expect an apology. It sounds like most just want to "mend fences" as the one said. If fences need mended(the Bible clearly indicates they need to be), I am sure your pastor and some members know who these people are. It sounds to me like some of them are reaching out here. You don't post your name so why should they????
Posted by: member Location: cos on Jul 2, 2008 at 02:45 PM
TO : Another LBC former member: "go pound sand"?? What in the world does that mean? Never heard that expression before. Anyway, how can YOU seriously call ME a stumbling block? You are the one tearing down other members of a church you used to attend. YOU are the one repeatedly knocking fellow Christians. Why don't YOU go "pound sand" or whatever that means. Really, more than anything, why don't you hit the deck and look to God and pray for your fellow Christians who are suffering right now? Don't you have anything better to do than to kick others?
Posted by: Another LBC former member Location: COS on Jun 25, 2008 at 12:23 PM
"Member" go pound sand!! Thank the good Lord that all Christains aren't like you and all the other current members who have posted. What a testament you are, or more like a stumbling block.
Posted by: member Location: cos on Jun 19, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Ok heres the deal.....IF you really want to be contacted by someone from the church, then you need to list your name and email address. Also, I would really like to know, why is it you think you need an apology? How do you know YOU don't OWE someone an apology, FORMER MEMBERS? You don't know this, because you haven't contacted others. No one can contact you for any reason. Right now the focus needs to be on how the Moore's will be affected and how to help their family and how this whole thing will affect this young woman. Get the focus OFF of yourselves and maybe you should be hitting your knees in prayer. There are plenty of other ways to get your PETTY point made.
Posted by: Frm Mbr Location: COS on Jun 18, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Thanks Lauri for the update. Appreciate it.
Posted by: Lauri Location: KKTV on Jun 18, 2008 at 03:05 PM
Jon Moore's next court date is June 19th. It's scheduled to be a preliminary hearing. We will keep you posted on KKTV 11 News at 5:30 and 10pm on Thursday, June 19th.
Posted by: not involved Location: cos on Jun 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM
This is all just ridiculous! I have read all the comments. Anon., you need to reread them. It sounds to me like some of these people have tried to go to the source. I don't think they are blabbing, I think they are hurt. I know you members are standing up for your church, that's a good thing. You all need to get on the same page somewhere. The Bible does say we need to go to a brother. So any of you who have not tried, should go and do what the Bible says! And if the Pastor has wronged anyone, he should do the same thing!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 16, 2008 at 09:36 AM
How can the pastor contact you if he doesn't know who is mad at him. If you all are concerned about what the Bible says, doesn't it say to go to the person you have ought against instead of blabbing all over the internet? Instead of telling everyone how upset you are about the pastor doing this or that (because he's human, just like we all are) maybe you should go directly to the source! Nobody else is going to be able to fix the problem besides him and it sounds like you've told everyone else but him. And don't sit there and say that everything you've done with different situations in your life have been the right choices. Everyone makes mistakes and I think a lot of you people out there that are so bitter think you are above making those mistakes. The pastor is human just like everyone that's posted anything on this page! Give him a break! We all make the choices we think are best at that particular place and time. That doesn't mean they are always the right choices does it?
Posted by: Info Seeker Location: COS on Jun 14, 2008 at 08:39 AM
In all the below confusion, what's the latest on Jon? When is the next court date? How's his family holding up? Thought maybe we could get back to the basics!
Posted by: Another Former Location: cos on Jun 12, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I too would appreciate contact and an apology from the Carroll's and other members for the way I was treated. But I also agree, that will not happen.
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on Jun 10, 2008 at 04:58 PM
I read of the former members asking for reconciliation, telling of the pastor ignoring them when seen and then I hear members saying their pastor and church are wonderful. Where is the Pastor in all this? He probably cannot speak about the Moore case but he could surely address those who have written or try to reconcile. Is that not part of being a Pastor, as I stated before. Once again, I challenge him and the rest of you members. There is a lot of hurt talking on these pages. I would hope you all try to get this resolved. We should all be in pray for the Moore family, girl's family and this church-most definately.
Posted by: former member on Jun 9, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I am sorry that if I started something here that should not have been started I ask for forgiveness. My wife and I still assoiciate with some of the members from that church and the friendship is special I left for 2 reasons 1 I was accused of something vary wrong (which I was cleared of) and 2 I needed to be in a fellowship that was closer to my home so I could attend church and not deal with the trafic (easier to stay at home than to rush through trafic) I needed fellowship from people that lived closer to me both reasons where my reasons not the church's and to many of you with hard feelings I am sorry also Pastor Carrol and his Wife are good people and I am speaking from personnal knowledg if some one has a problem with them and take it to them he will sit down and listen the problem will and may still be there but it would have been addressed if approched in the wright manner and not attacking him he did give me and the wife good advise on many occassions. Thank you all
Posted by: Steve Brown (Former Member) Location: Blue Springs, MO on Jun 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I knew Jon, played softball...fantasy football, hung out. All this does is prove the point that nobody's above sin. Not my saying, but a FRIEND. Didn't Paul call himself wretched? We all fall short, I KNOW I have, and do. When Christ forgives he forgives totally. I put my name because I believe in the family of God. The actions of ONE don't shore up a church. Preach (Jim) is a good man and his heart is right. I don't have the patent on being a Christian. Do any of us? I've been lousy at it more than I've been good and not once did Preach take my side over my wife. I didn't get along with everyone at Lighthouse (Hello, it's called REALITY!), but I had plenty who loved and prayed for me. I've been on both sides of the fence in my 12 years at Lighthouse, but each time I had to take a real good look at ME. For each negative comment about Preach I have two good ones to throw your way. I thought the devil was in the devouring buiz, not us? To any former members, give me a holler...God bless!
Posted by: Another former LHBC member Location: COS on Jun 6, 2008 at 09:21 AM
For those of you current members...KUDOS to you for standing behind your Pastor!!Although he has wronged and hurt many in the past, maybe he did learn from those mistakes and has turned over a new leaf.I can promise one thing, when Pastor Carroll and I have bumped into each other, he does anything he can to avoid me, my family too has experienced his brush-off.So I'm sorry if what we former members say puts people on the defensive, just be careful not to put him on too high of a pedestal.It's not good for you and he probably doesn't want that anyway.As far as I'm concerned he did fail his current flock.It seems a lot of members knew what was going on; but the pastor did not.I have a hard time believing that.And again, I do apologize for for the way I came across, but I won't apologize for stating the truth.If there were a perfect Church, it would become imperfect the moment I step into it.I would LOVE for Pastor Carroll to look me and my family up to mend fences, but it won't happen.
Posted by: Someone close Location: COS on Jun 5, 2008 at 11:19 PM
MBR: We know your pastor has flaws. His heart is not as big and forgiving as you might think. If you want proof, talk to anyone involved in maybe 3 of the divorce cases that have been in that church. He has sided with the men in each case, 2 cases in which there was obvious abuse involved. Yes, we pray for him and for those who have been hurt by his actions. That's why one of the former members wrote in the beginning about "glad they can finally forgive someone"....we realize he deals with many situations and does the best he can. None of us are perfect nor have we claimed to be. We are merely challenging the pastor, his wife, long-time members to search their hearts and ask forgiveness of those they might have hurt in the past as we ask forgiveness for anything we might have done to hurt them also. Christians can work out their differences, it just takes patience, time & no judgmental comments. And as hard as it seems, nobody was bad-talking anyone, we were merely stating facts! Sorry
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Mbr, I agree, we all make mistakes. No one is perfect except Christ. I am still seeing the members getting on here being defensive. The last former did say some things that could provoke, but the previous did not. I believe the former even stated that your pastor may not do those things now. If he doesn't that's wonderful. Pastoring is a tremendous job and I commend anyone who gets that calling. But it is also a huge responsibility. HUGE! He is responsible for his flock. He should really be the one who goes after those who fall, leave, etc. If he helped the police get Mr. Moore, that's great. But he seems to have lots that are still out here in the Springs. Lots of bitterness. He is still responsible for them also.
Posted by: member Location: COS on Jun 5, 2008 at 04:31 PM
If anybody commenting here can name for me one perfect church family I would like to know. How about a perfect family. Dads, moms, are you perfect 100% of the time with your children, families? Have you ever said anything you regretted? Our preacher is a mere man willing to serve the Lord. He deals with many difficult situations constantly. If we can not manage our own lives and our own families perfectly, how much harder would it be to try to counsel and guide a whole flock? He has the biggest, most forgiving heart of anybody I have ever met. If any of us can get through a single day without saying or doing something wrong in some way it would be a miracle. Please stop bad talking this man, and if you really think he has flaws, which we all do, Pray for him.
Posted by: Another former member of LHBC Location: Colorad on Jun 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Dear Member, It's because of people like you who will NEVER be part of the solution. I will be more than happy to "air" my personal experience with you. But I'm only allowed 1000 words here. But what would it accomplish? You have the typical Fundamental Baptist stereotype - Judgemental, Pious, Vengeful and full of Anger. I can tell by your posts. Not ANY of us former members go to a church to fit our way of life. Most of us have found churches that allow us to be us without the guilt from the pulpit that the Pastor believes what HE thinks we should be. This is a sad, sad situation. Mr. Moore was wrong. I like the question posed earlier, How come when a teacher does this with a student (teenaged or not) they are horrible? Mr. Moore did no different. Why aren't you blaming all the other teens for knowing better than to sleep with their teacher? Another Fundamental Baptist trait..Double Standards. Give me a contact and I'll be happy to discuss my situation with you.
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on Jun 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Member, You say the former didn't "air" anything, go back and reread what was written. It states right in the comment why the family left. It was said that "the Pastor talked about people who left, they had no beef with anyone there", what more does this person need to share? This person isn't making a mockery of your church, you members that lash out are. You may be "family" and stick together, but what about these "family" members on here. Seems they have been left out in the cold for one reason or another. I would think your pastor would want all this to end and for that to happen he probably needs to at least TRY to mend some fences with these people. You may not now who they all are, but I bet he does. As Christians we need to do what God tells us to do. Again I would admonish your pastor to do what God would want him to do in this.
Posted by: Former Member Location: COS on Jun 5, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Mbr-I was not specific for the reason I already gave you. And there is no intent on my part to make anyone feel bad. That is a misconception. Nobody is mocking your church. Nobody tried to make your church "fit them". We all were there serving just like you are. Things happen, people change, standards change, opinions change, we all move on. Churches are family, you are right. So are members and non-members. United in Christ. The comment about Pastor "airing" about former members...that was made because it was true. Now, it did happen probably 6 years ago so maybe you weren't there and maybe he doesn't do that anymore. If not, great on him. But it used to happen and it was hurtful. That's all I was saying. Names are not needed on here. You don't put yours down, don't expect me to either. And the thought of always "sticking it out together"...that's a great idea and for the most part it works, but we all have to admit that it doesn't always pan out. Especially if the effort is one-sided.
Posted by: member Location: c s on Jun 5, 2008 at 08:55 AM
I have no chip on my shoulder. At one point you say you want to air your grievances, so why don't you get specific. That way you can get the people to feel bad - they way YOU want them too. It truly makes no sense on why you insist on making a mockery of my church. Sometimes, people want to make a church fit into THEIR way of life. They think that if they try hard enough then it will when somehow fit into what they want it to. They also have grandious ideas that they can change the church to fit THEM. Wrong. You know, I don't know why you left. I know I am here and have no plans on leaving. I know it is going to get tough and harder to hang in there at our church, but you know what we are a family and family sticks it out TOGETHER. If you taught in choir, AWANAS ~ great for you, I'm glad that you did that. Really, I don't understand why people are saying that Pastor Carroll goes up to the pulpit to "air" what has happened. Put your name. You wanna get things fixed ~ put your name.
Posted by: Former Member Location: COS on Jun 4, 2008 at 02:34 PM
Mmbr-please remove the chip from your shoulder. I "aired" without specific details for a reason, it's not your business. If it was, you would have already known about it years ago. If my family wasn't a good "fit" for your church, why did we stay there so long, teaching, choir, Awanas? And since when do families have to "fit"? Not very open-minded? You get upset because we talk about what bothers us..you get upset because we don't talk in details about what bothers us..what exactly do you want? We admit we're not perfect & things are 2-sided & there were problems, are you too good to do that in return? You may not have a "God-complex" but you certainly do have a complex. Some of the former members on here were asked to leave, some felt forced to leave, others left on their own. That doesn't make us right, you wrong. Nobody said we're unhappy with our lives now. We have moved on & so has LBC. We pray for healing for Jon's family & the girls family as well as the accused and victim. Peace
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on Jun 4, 2008 at 01:45 PM
You asked them to air their grievances, the one did and then you slam them for it, that makes a lot of sense. You need to help solve this, not add to it. I am sure your pastor is not happy with the way the members have responded on here. Like I said earlier, you all need to step up here and take on the responsibilty of healing these hurts.
Posted by: member Location: cos on Jun 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Ok - so you say you have "aired it". Really? And you say you left on bad terms. Ok, so now that you have really aired NOTHING, you made no mention of things at all, then let it go. Quit trashing my church, my pastor and my church family. You and your family obviously were not a good fit for the church. No church is perfect. Our church CERTAINLY does not claim to be perfect. Our pastor has NEVER once claimed to be perfect. Our church family has NEVER claimed to be perfect. We will never be perfect this side of Heaven. And I don't think we will even be then. The only perfect One has been and gone. He died for YOUR sins, MY sins, and Jon Moore's sins. My faith in God has not at all waivered since all this has happened. My faith in MAN has ALWAYS been in question. BUT, we have to remember, we are human. Humans ere. God is perfect. We HAVE to remember this. We have to. Otherwise, where would we be? No one I know at the church has a "God-complex"....as some here would have you believe.
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on Jun 3, 2008 at 05:48 PM
Anon., I don't think anyone is going to "air" what they really have to say on here. I would hope not anyway, but then again it might do some good. From what has been written, it seems some of them have already tried to fix things. It would be better if the ones who hurt them would step up to the plate and get a hold of them to talk this out. If we have offended someone, aren't WE supposed to try to sort it out? LBC members and pastor, I would like to challenge you all to mend some of these fences.
Posted by: Former Member Location: COS on Jun 3, 2008 at 05:04 PM
I don't mind airing mine at all....we chose to not go back because several families had already left the church or were being asked to leave and the habit of the preacher was to talk about them, from the pulpit, after they left. We were even talked about wrongly from the pulpit after we left. We had no beef with anyone there, just didn't want to hear the stories he would tell about our friends. Maybe he has realized that his choice was not in the best interest of the congregation or maybe he continues this path. Only the current members know and let's keep it that way. We just know that there were many stories told by him that really had no reason to be told; those stories caused confusion, pain, hurt between members and former members and the children of these families were most hurt by the situation. It took some of these families years to rebuild, regroup and find a place to serve elsewhere. God & time heals all wounds, some wounds are still open obviously for some.
Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 3, 2008 at 03:50 PM
How about you go ahead and air it right here instead of just talking about how much you all have been hurt! Here's your opportunity to get it all out in the open since everyone seems to be dying to let their story be known!
Posted by: another former Location: cos on Jun 3, 2008 at 08:05 AM
"former", it's nice that you left LBC happy. But I am sure all the other formers would appreciate it if you didn't try to give reason as to why we went there or why we left. You don't know us or any of our circumstances. That church was our home as much as it is yours now. We all had reasons for leaving. And FOM, maybe the formers wouldn't be commenting if you would keep your comments about us quiet. I am sure some of us would love to come back and tell you all what REALLY went on as to why we left. But you all wouldn't listen, plus I'm sure we wouldn't get past the front door!
Posted by: former member Location: Colorado springs on Jun 2, 2008 at 01:11 PM
I am the one that posted on 19 March I think that this whole thing has gone the wrong way it is a privet matter between the church members the family of the girl and the pastor they are the only ones that are directly effected by this matter and way (the on lookers) just have to wait it out and see what comes of it after all we are just on lookers God is in control of everything and he has a plan for all of us if we would listen fo the still small voice.I have no doubt that there are people in the community that have felt they have been wronged by Pastor Carrol but have they tryed to reconcile with him? he is a man of God and this is a free country and we can chose which congregation to fellowship with My take on the church and people that have left with hard feelings is that they probable attended the church LHBC with the wrong motivation in the first place and they will have problems in any church they attend why you ask it is because they attend not to learn and worship but to be se
Posted by: Rhonda Location: COS on Jun 2, 2008 at 07:18 AM
A lot of teenage girls think it is exciting when an older man pays them attention. BUT even if she pursued him that doens't mean this is her fault. Teenage girls don't think straight, as any of us know who have them!!! She had some part in this, but she is not the one who is to take the blame. As adults we HAVE to be the responsible ones, teenagers try to be but aren't always that way. I don't care what your teenage class says or thinks. This girl may have been needing attention and looked for it in the wrong place, period. Secondly those former members seem to have some serious hurt and you members saying you know their story and telling them why they are lashing out, you don't now anything if you weren't directly involved. I have been in a church situation like this. I judged people before I found out the truth. I trusted my pastor, but found out I was told a lie. So be careful what you say and what "story" you believe!
Posted by: Member Location: COS on Jun 1, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I can't believe people are still commenting on this. I am a high school teacher and so I put this situation before some of my students from health class. These were sophomores (about the age that this "little girl" was when this happened), and WITHOUT EXCEPTION the girls said that she should get some of the blame. EVERY one of them said that if a man of Jon's age in a position of authority (i.e., a teacher) tried this with them, they would tell their parents or another adult. They are convinced that she wanted this to happen. And not one of them thought that she was "too young" to make any kind of choice in this. They were adamant that she should have known it was wrong and could have stopped it if she wanted to. I know that as we get older, we forget what things were like when we were younger and tend to kids are not as aware of things as they actually are. I'll say it again--Jon Moore was completely and totally wrong to do this. But anyone who thinks this girl has no fault is WRONG.
Posted by: f. o. m. Location: cs on Jun 1, 2008 at 06:01 PM
Look I am not telling the former members to feel a certain way. I don't know where you got that. They are the ones who got their panties in a bunch over something besides the situation at hand. Can we not focus on the actual circumstance? People are throwing ridiculous remarks and saying things about the Pastor and people in the church. I understand you left for a reason. Ok - we GET THE POINT. The pastor has in no way betrayed any member of our church EVER. And yes it is so sad there are so many of you who feel you were betrayed. But look at the rest of us who are still there. Oh wait, that's because we aren't seeing the bigger picture, right? Get over yourselves. The topic is not about how bad you feel you were betrayed or how people weren't your friends at LBC. GET A GRIP. Goodness, I know teens who are more mature than you are acting.
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on Jun 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM
First off, why did Leo write to FOM right now? FOM hasn't been on in ages. Seems to be wanting to stir trouble, which he did. And FOM, why do you think you know the former member wasn't betrayed? Do you know who this person is? The details of what went on? I tend to think not. So why does everyone on here seem to think they know what the others went through or think, you don't. Stop rehashing all of that. Accept you don't know the whole story, period. As for the girl and Mr. Moore, they were wrong. Moore is the adult, he will have to take the punishment for that. The girl will have to live with what she's been through. Why are all you LBC members trying to make this out to be her fault? When a teacher sleeps with a student, everyone blames the teacher totally. What's the difference? This girl was underage, end of story. NO matter what she did, she is not the one to be blaming here. Pray for the people involved and stop the lashing out at each other.
Posted by: another former member on May 31, 2008 at 09:32 PM
To the former member that was betrayed by the pastor....You ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!!!It is so sad that there are many of us who were betrayed.
Posted by: local on May 31, 2008 at 09:04 PM
this is for f.o.m.: "Yes", you are "freaking wrong" for saying it is her fault! The public does not need "the whole story" to come to that conclusion. And furthermore, "YES, she was a girl!" Looks to me like you are the one rehashing. I would not call a criminal offense "drama".
Posted by: Curious Location: COS on May 31, 2008 at 07:13 PM
F.O.M....please stop telling the former members to not feel certain ways. You don't have all the facts about past situations just like they don't have all the facts about present situations. Just because they have certain feelings doesn't mean they aren't mature. And whatever your issue with leo is....wow. He should not have called her "a little girl" for sure. However, she was not a young woman either. She was an underage teenager. Plain and simple. Both sinned, both will have to live with what happened. And don't feel upset because the media and court documents don't tell all because that's how the former members feel about their situations, all was never told. However, that stuff is in the past...let's look forward to the future.
Posted by: f.o.m. Location: cs on May 31, 2008 at 10:55 AM
to Leo - WOW - what harsh words from such a little man. What is it exactly that I have done to this "little girl"? she was not a little girl. She was a young woman. Mr. Moore will be punished. He knows that and so does his family. Former member ~ goodness already ~ poor baby to you! GROW UP! Pastor did not betray anyone. You really need to grow up and mature .... not just in life but in faith. I sure do hope your new pastor knows what kind of bumbling mess he got with the lot of you all. I am not "freaking wrong" for saying she was at fault. Once you know the whole story - oh wait you won't, because the media and court documents won't allow that. It is insane to have to be rehashing old "drama". GET A LIFE AND GROW UP!
Posted by: leo Location: cos on May 29, 2008 at 11:09 PM
I love it how friend of moore always tries to put the blame on the victim. Ironicly enough they call them victims because they are the ones who have had a crime committed AGAINST them, this little girl was at no fault in this and your freaking wrong for saying things like that, and don't worry vengance is mine sayth the Lord, so in this life or the next one He will see fit you and mr. moore get yours!
Posted by: former member Location: cos on May 29, 2008 at 09:03 PM
I don't feel the least bit sorry for your pastor if he feels betrayed. Poor baby. What about some of us former members HE betrayed!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on May 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Curious, the pastor was in the dark about what was going on as well. Just because accusations had taken place, doesn't mean he knew what was happening at the time. Being in the pastor's position must be very tough at times because you don't know who to believe. Yes, Jon was accused of this earlier, but he played it off and everyone believed him because of the position he was in. What's wrong with wanting to believe the good in others? I'm sure the pastor feels very betrayed because he was lied to and I'm sure also he feels pretty dumb because this all did come out and he could've maybe prevented some of this. It's pretty risky to fire someone on allegations alone and with the girl not saying anything until now didn't help out the situation either. Has anyone ever thought that maybe the pastor was a key person in setting up the sting to get Jon to confess? Just because you don't know all the details, doesn't mean you can come up with your own conclusions!
Posted by: Curious Location: COS on May 28, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Curiosity, thanks so much for your words. I know this is a trying time for all, especially the family. First hand have witnessed what should have been a cut and dry case a few years ago, it takes at least a year to work out issues and years after that to heal. This won't be a quick process and for the family I am sorry for that. I'm sure they're holed up trying to heal. It's hard to do that when things are at a standstill. I had heard that the church (at least the pastor) had knowledge of this situation when it was happening...so I wonder if the family was kept in the dark as well as the church? That would be very sad because they would have had all this time to deal with their emotions and be ready for all the press that might come when the system starts rolling. At any rate, God speed to you all at LBC and take comfort in knowing that God has wrapped His arms around both families and will protect and heal them in His time.
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on May 28, 2008 at 01:25 PM
Curiosity, thank you for the update and for the apology to Curious. I am sure he/she will appreciate it also. We are concerned about all parties involved and do appreciate any updates given. I am sorry to hear everything was put on hold. The longer things like this drag on, the harder it gets for everyone involved. Please let them know they have a lot of people praying for the situation and I hope the judicial system will get moving. Thanks Again.
Posted by: Curiousit bit Location: CS on May 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Curious, I am sorry if I came across as being rude. I did not mean for it to be like that. He has an attorney. Nothing was done, because no one took the time to talk to one another. His attorney has no time for him neither does the D.A. They are putting everyone in a holding zone. The main reason I am sure I came across this way is mainly because right now it is a family situation. RIGHT NOW it is. Please continue to pray for all the families involved. His family is in turmoil over this. As is the woman. Just pray and put it all in God's hands.
Posted by: Curious Location: COS on May 27, 2008 at 06:35 PM
Curiosity bit the cat: I assumed it was just a preliminary hearing telling him to get a lawyer and come back. I am familiar with the system here and that's how it usually works. It's not necessarily because they're not doing anything..if you've ever been downtown to the courthouse you would know that they have case after case after case and usually try to cram dozens in every day..I'm sure they have their lax times just like everyone else if they would admit it. If it's at all possible, it would be nice if everyone would stop calling people who post their opinions names and make constant judgements. I'm sure people of LIghthouse are defensive and overly sensitive at this time...the rest of us should keep that in mind when saying things for sure..but do us the same courtesy. And to Kit..keep in mind..Christianity is a relationship, not a religion. Everyone will answer to God personally regarding their soul, don't accept or reject Christ based on others, it's your decision alone.
Posted by: Curiosity bit the cat Location: OH on May 26, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I am not a petty little man. I am not shifting the blame on or to anyone. You are all ridiculous. Yes he did go to court this week. Did anything happen? No. Just so happens nothing happened. Why? Well, there again, I will let you contact the D.A.'s office. Look there are a lot of people that just want an end date in sight, and there is not one yet. Mr. Moore did wrong. I have acknowledged that, in fact, I have stated that. Grow up, Mark, curious and "to curious". If the public wants to know what has happened, then they need to do something about it. And what I had to say about the D.A. and Assistant D.A.'s, well, every word of it is true. They need to step up and do THEIR job. Kit, there is indeed a God. God is present in every breath you take. He is present in the sunrise and sunset. He is present in everything we do and see. God is amazing and wonderful. Just because there are bad people, doesn't make God non-exsistent.
Posted by: Curious Location: COS on May 26, 2008 at 11:17 PM
To All: I'm OK with how curiosity answered. It shows the character or lack thereof of whomever it might be. I really was just curious how his hearing went seeing how there was a lot of interest and then poof, nothing in the news. I'm not on here to pass judgement or condemn, that's not our job. But we can pray and some of us were really very curious what kind of trial this would be, if the girl in question has to come back to this state to testify, if Jon and his family are OK and still together, how his children and grandchildren are doing with all of this, how is the church holding up, hoping and praying that nobody falls or stumbles or caves in to the devil's ploy of depression. Let's all please don't "assume" to know why anyone on here puts down a posting. Don't be so defensive, some people really are genuinely concerned but there you went again kicking your own in the teeth. But, like the Bible says (and you seem to like to quote a lot) we turn our cheek!
Posted by: To Curious on May 26, 2008 at 09:09 PM
Curious, you have to excuse "curiosity bit the cat", he is a petty little man that has nothing better to do than blame shift. More than likely he is also the author of the "Friend of Moore" posts.
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on May 26, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Kit, please don't look at what is being said here to determine whether God exists or not. These are only people, they are not perfect in any way, shape or form. You should ask God to reveal Himself to you so that you will know He is here. A lot of these comments were made in the flesh, they are not of God.
Posted by: community member Location: colorado springs on May 26, 2008 at 05:15 PM
God does exist~ God did not bring this on....Jon Moore brought this whole mess on himself,his family and his church. People do watch what Christians are doing in Christ's name and come to the conclusion that there is no God! Please do not believe this way because we are all sinners saved by God's glorious grace. Men fail us~~~~ GOD NEVER FAILS US~~~~ May I add to Christian's becuase we are being watched we MUST watch our steps that we are not a stumbling block but a stepping stone to those around us!
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on May 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM
I don't get on for a week and it gets really ugly in here! What is up with you people? Curious asked a question that a lot of us would like the answer to. I have been praying for Mr. Moore, the girl and their families and would like to know what is happening with all of this. Curious may have been doing the same thing. Didn't sound to me like he/she was being nasty about asking. So why the nasty response?? I don't know who you are "Curiosity", but you have issues. I am sure some of these people would have been at the courthouse if they could have been. So why the condemnation and nasty words about the legal system??? If there is an update, I'm sure just a trial date was set, I, for one, would like to know. I will be in prayer for them either way, but it is always nice to know a few more details so we know how to pray better. Let's get rid of the nasty attitudes on here and try to remember what is important, shall we?
Posted by: Curiosity bit the cat Location: Cos on May 26, 2008 at 09:56 AM
Nope, no issues and I have no rough dealings with the law. The point I am trying to make is this: if you really wanted to know what is going on with the case with Mr. Moore, you would contact the proper people to find out. I am polite. But, politeness went out the window when people began throwing jabs at a church that could not have prevented what HE did. We are only accountable for ourselves. Be more concerned about yourself and not what will happen or won't happen to someone. The Bible clearly states to mind the "barb in your own eye". When you have that taken care of THEN you can start pointing out problems with others.
Posted by: Curious Location: COS on May 26, 2008 at 07:29 AM
Curiosity bit the cat: You have issues and apparently they run much deeper than just not knowing how to be polite. Sounds like you've had some rough dealings with the law yourself! Sounds like you're the poor one, not me!
Posted by: Curiosity bit the cat Location: cos on May 25, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Poor little curious, no not everyone showed up at the court house. BUT, the important people know what went on. Apparently, Curious, you are not one of those important people. Why don't you do this ~ check into our public defenders and d.a.'s office and see why they sit around on their laurels and do nothing. We are paying these people a lot of money for what? NOTHING. Public defenders get paid for services they aren't even doing. D.A.'s and Assistant D.A.'s what do they do? Oh wait, they go out drinking and partying on our dollar. Look into that, Curious, and THEN when things come up for you to hear about, regarding Mr. Moore, I am sure you will hear about it.
Posted by: Curious Location: COS on May 25, 2008 at 06:22 AM
Oh right, like I'm sure everyone showed up at the courthouse......how many of you went? It was a simple question, asked nicely....wow, you really went all out to be ugly! Nice job!
Posted by: curiosity BIT the cat Location: cos on May 23, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Hey curious, maybe things happened that are none of your business. And maybe if you had been THAT interested, maybe you should have gone to the court house.
Posted by: Kit on May 23, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Maybe "God" doesn't exist. That's the obvious conclusion to draw from all of this.
Posted by: Curious Location: COS on May 23, 2008 at 07:00 AM
Just curious.......if my memory serves me correct, didn't Mr. Moore have his hearing this past Monday? I find it odd that none of you below even mention this event? Any updates or anyone know what became of him? Anyone know if there will be a trial or is this a cut and dry case where the girl doesn't have to appear? Just curious.
Posted by: Mark Location: cos on May 20, 2008 at 01:24 PM
I am not sure I would compare what this family is going thru to 9/11. It is terrible what they are dealing with personally and in public, but it isn't 9/11. It's good to know that you and your family left on good terms. But I don't think that is what happened with most of the former members who are writing or they wouldn't be saying what they are saying. Some sound as if they didn't want to leave. Seems there is a lot of hurt in the Springs from this church. It's sad that God's people turn on each other. There is enough evil in this world, as Christians we should be uplifting one another not tearing each other down. Sounds like some of the former members have already tried their part. I would hope the Pastor and members would listen and reach out, this is your opportunity to heal this hurt. God Bless you all.
Posted by: former member on May 19, 2008 at 05:34 PM
I am a former member of LHBC I have no bitter feelings towards any member of that fine organization the Pastor is a sound principled preacher. the Members of the church (when I was there) are hartfull caring people and when I knew Mr Moore I respected him I had made some bad judgments I would have never wanted to bring this on to the church or the church family. They did not fully understand but for the most part they accepted my leaving along with my family. What Mr Moore did is inexcusable I understand that and the night mare that the family is going through right-now can only be compaired to what we all went through on 911 I am talking about the wife and kids. Mr Moore has to live with what he did for the rest of his life, and his kid have to put up with the finger pointing and whispers in the corner for along time I believe that LHBC will recover from this because the the Church is not the building but the people and that church has sound leadership and good God fearing peope
Posted by: Frmr Member Location: COS on May 17, 2008 at 11:24 PM
LBC member........maybe you should check out the story before posting your comment. Calls were attempted and not returned, attempts made to talk to members, they were instructed not to talk to those who left; yes, the phones and visits work both ways, enough said. Nothing has changed there!
Posted by: Mark Location: COS on May 17, 2008 at 03:08 PM
LBC member, if these people left your church, why didn't someone call and talk to them? You say the door swings both ways. Well, from what I have read, most of these people left possibly on not so good terms. If you all cared for them and prayed for them, like you said, you should have been concerned enough to get in touch with them. I'm just an outsider, as pointed out earlier, but as a Christian, that is the way things SHOULD be handled. We care for our brethren and if they leave for a bad reason, things should try to be worked out.
Posted by: LBC member Location: cos on May 17, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Fmr Member ~ the last time I checked, the phones worked both ways. You can make a call just as easy we can to you. Why didn't you pick up the phone and call or just come over to your friends home? The door swings both ways.
Posted by: Fmr Member Location: COS on May 15, 2008 at 06:02 PM
I for one agree with Mark because if the members truly did pray for the former members, I believe God would have softened their hearts to stay in touch with them.....from what I know, even personally, not one contact was made when we left the church. That's what made the former members feel like outsiders, betrayed and cast out, not loved, not welcomed, not listened to, and this lack of action began from the top (Pastor) down to the bottom layers. It's factual, not asking for anything here, just stating facts. Bottom line again, Mr. Moore and the young lady need our prayers and support....true prayers for he and his family to work through this situation and true prayers for the young lady to come to terms with the reality of this situation and deal with her part.
Posted by: Mark Location: cos on May 14, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Member, I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I was simply stating what I believe to be the truth about you all praying. You all need to be honest with yourselves, you probably don't pray for the former members, especially if they left on bad terms. I am a believer and it is a hard thing to do to pray for those who you think have "wronged" the church or you. You bringing up the girl again will probably stir the pot more. Just because this girl was outgoing don't think she didn't have low self esteem. Most people with low self esteem hide it very well!
Posted by: member Location: cos on May 14, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Mark, since you really are an outsider, please stay out of things. You are trying to stir the pot again. This had finally died down and you are trying to get things going again. And just to set the record straight, this young woman did not have low self-esteem. She was very out going. She was always involved in things...of her own choice. She enjoyed doing things. She was very active in and out of church. So, low self-esteem played no part in this. Jon Moore is a married man - he was wrong in what he did. He betrayed his wife and family.
Posted by: Mark Location: cos on May 13, 2008 at 06:04 PM
Just curious, do the former members truly believe that they have been prayed for by the members? And I find it hard to believe that you have prayed for all your former members, let's get real here.
Posted by: Kit Location: UK on May 13, 2008 at 12:39 PM
As a total outsider, may I say how sinister it is to see a child victim of sexual assault receiving partial blame for being abused. She was not at fault for "letting it happen"; many victims of this kind have low self-esteem and only understand what has happened in retrospect.
Posted by: LBC member Location: cos on May 8, 2008 at 02:47 PM
I just want to say, this has been made into something about our church. Ridiculous. I love my church and my church family. If you don't want to go to church or you have rejected Christ, then say so, don't use this as an excuse. Because in the end, that is all it is, an EXCUSE. You should use your own judgement rather than listening to "former members". I know our church has been praying for the Moore's and for the young womans family. We also have kept the former members in our prayers.
Posted by: Victory Location: COS on May 6, 2008 at 08:56 AM
I have one last scripture for the members and former members of Lighthouse Baptist Church. Galatians 5:14-15 "If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other."
Posted by: Victory Location: COS on May 6, 2008 at 08:38 AM
My heart's broken for the victim b/c I know what's in store for her. I'm also a victim of child abuse & 30 years later I'm finally on the road to healing. This will always be part of my past and the memories will never go away. Abusing a child is never okay. If the victim had stripped naked and strutted around Mr. Moore's house, it's still not okay for him to touch her. Matthew 18:6 "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea." My heart is broken for Mr. Moore's family. They've been hurt by someone they love and trust. His family is now known as "..the kids/wife of the child molester." They did not ask for this & their road to healing is also long. Exodus 34:7 "Yet He does not leave the guilty unpunished; He punishes the children & their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."
Posted by: Former Location: COS on May 5, 2008 at 05:33 PM
"Friend", "from what you know" this girl has not confessed. So you DON"T know what she is feeling, prayed about,going through... nothing. So how can you specualate or judge this girl for anything? I understand sticking up for your pastor and church, really I do. But don't try to put any blame on this girl at all. No matter what she did, she was NOT the adult. And if Jon has confessed his sin before God and the church, then he knows the fault was not with her and I would imagine he would not appreciate any of you blaming this girl. He not only sinned against God, but against her. If he feels she is in anyway to blame, then he has not truly repented.
Posted by: Marie on May 4, 2008 at 02:39 PM
Oh "friend of Moore" I think people are upset, because they believe that there was prior knowledge of the beginnings of this whole mess! That is why people are lashing out at the pastor and church...I am not saying it is right, that is what it is though. As far as the media goes, I can see tidbits here and there that are innacurate, but in this case, with a recorded confession, yes, I can come to the conclusion that Moore is guilty. Unless there is not a confession! YOU said he confessed yourself. Another thing that lights a fire, is the people that are saying "oh yes he did wrong, BUT she....." This poor girl has been through a mental hell. She has obviously come forward with the truth...and if that throws her best friends life into turmoil, then so be it. My God says...the truth shall set you free. She can now go on and live her life, knowing she did the right thing, and did not hide from the truth! By the way, how do you know this girls heart? Yes, I said GIRL!!!
Posted by: friend of moore Location: cos on May 3, 2008 at 06:39 PM
I don't think we are making anything look evil. I don't understand why for some reason we are having to come to the defense our pastor AND our church. It wasn't our pastor OR our church that did this thing. If you had ANY of the details ANY of them, maybe you would see it a bit differently. But seeing as how most of you believe EVERY last word the media spews at you, then of course he is guilty. Of course, she did nothing to encourage this. Of the media is the "god of all" to you. Well, my God knows all. He knows that YES, Jon Moore, a MAN, a HUMAN being, a sinner saved by grace, sinned, but has confessed his sin and Christ has been faithful and just to forgive him. Now, from what we know, the young woman has NOT. She has sat back, gone on with her life. Thrown her best friends life into turmoil. Am I placing blame on her? Yep, I sure am. She needs to own her part in this. Will God take care of this in His way? Yes He will. But, one can't be the victim in everything all their life
Posted by: Leo Location: Co. on May 2, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Don't trip people, there seems to be a mis conception that she will be punished, she won't not in this life or the next. She is not at fault here in any way, shape, or form.
Posted by: me Location: God's Land on May 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM
All you members and anyone who thinks this girl is guilty of something are idiots! If you've never been in this kind of situation you have no place to say anything bad about this girl. Do you morons really think she wanted this to happen to her? Have you seen a picture of this Mr. Moore? Not a single one of you is acting like a true Christian. She is a victim. All I hear is pray, pray, pray. All of you morons need to read the Bible and see what God tells you to do. Quit judging this girl because of something that happened to her and put the blame where it belongs...on this pediphile. All of you people are lacking common sense. Good thing you people aren't judges...every girl that got raped would be in prison and the guy that did it would be free and still going to church. I'm tired of all your idiotic responses to this story. Rape, molestation, underage, married, church? And it's the girls' fault?! You members should just keep your mouths closed, you're just making your church look evil
Posted by: RADAR Location: COS on May 2, 2008 at 06:35 PM
Several facts here: a married man in a position of trust abused that forum and was involved with an under-age young girl. Teens are not adults, period. We were not there, we don't know the circumstances, only they do. Even pastor admitted "they hid it very well". No matter what the circumstances it was wrong on both parts. The former members are chiming in here because were hoping the pastor would not side with Mr. Moore which reminds us of past members involved in crimes which he sided with. They just wanted to shed light on some things they felt were not handled rightly. We're not bashing you all for going to that church and we're not requesting a list of what kind of right things you're doing, how you're blessing people, who you're leading to the Lord, etc. Don't expect that from us. We'll pray for you, you pray for us, and everyone pray for Mr. Moore and the young lady. They need God's grace and arms of love right now. They are being punished in God's time, we accept it!
Posted by: former Location: cos on May 2, 2008 at 07:35 AM
Whether you have been hurt in the past or not, you need to put that aside right now. We all need to pray for this whole situation. Pray for the girl and her family, for Jon and his family, for the judicial system to have wisdom, and for God's grace to help all involved. Our hurt may always be there, but we need to step up to the plate right now and pray. God Bless.
Posted by: LBC member Location: cos on May 1, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Of course there are always problems in ANY organization, especially in a church. No one is perfect. Again, it is ridiculous that former members are saying that things have been swept under the carpet. One more time I will say, if there were things you or I didn't know about, it was none of our business. What Preacher discusses with people in PRIVATE is PRIVATE. Why didn't you ever go to the Pastor and say things weren't handled properly and you wanted handled in a different way? I know for a FACT, because I have been in a situation, that a situation happened with myself and another family and we handled it in another way. This is about Jon Moore and this young woman. KEEP IT THAT WAY. Back off the Pastor and keep the focus only on the actual cause. If you still don't like our church, don't come back....but know, you WILL always be welcome back. Love in Christ....a fellow Christian and sister in Christ.
Posted by: Candice Church - former member Location: California on May 1, 2008 at 03:58 PM
I used to go to LBC as a pre-teen with my parents, my parents and I left the church when we moved to another state! Although it has been 11 years since being at the church we were semi involved in different parts of the church, and I can say without a doubt there are problems within the church that even myself as a child could see. All I would like to say is whether your a current member of the church or a former member that left for your own good reasons, it's a personal choice on what church you go to, don't hold it against each other for deciding to leave or stay. Things are going to work out however they work out and life is going to move on, we just need to keep the Moores family, the girl, and her family in our prayers and hope the justice system does whats right!
Posted by: concerned Location: COS on May 1, 2008 at 12:09 PM
It bothers me when people call 15, 16, 17 year old "children". They do it so they can elicit a sympathetic response. When doing a positive story on teen achievements, they are called "young adults" or "adolescents", why not when they have sex? Jon Moore was legally and morally wrong. But the young woman in question should have screamed or done something to stop this. This forum needs to get back to the issue at hand and stop bashing the church, the Pastor, and its members or former members. This is a horrible thing that was done and should not be reflected on the church as a whole. The church did not fail this girl because she never came forward while it was happening apparently. She waited for a long time before coming forward. I hope she gets the help that she needs to get through this horrible thing that happened to her. But she is a young adult not a child.
Posted by: K Location: co spg on May 1, 2008 at 09:32 AM
You guys have made this about the church. This is about a married adult man taking advantage and committing a gross criminal act with a girl under the age of 17. Keep the focus. If it wasn't a criminal act the police would not have been concerned enough to arrest the man so there must be some potential evidence that warranted the arrest. Friend of Moore. You don't understand the psychological abuse which accompanies sexual abuse, especially from a person in a leadership position. Abuse is not sex even it is done by using sex. It's abuse. This man preyed on a virgin teen. The responsibilty was his, esepcially a married man. He has no moral value or resepct at all. The truth hurts. Sorry.
Posted by: Another former LBC Member Location: Colorado on May 1, 2008 at 09:28 AM
To "Friend of Moore" -- you are JUST AS GUILTY of this as you say all the other people are. If YOU were/are such a "good friend" why didn't YOU councel Mr. Moore and tell him that what he was involved in was sick?! Where were YOU?! If you know so much about this situation, why didn't YOU go to your Pastor about it with concern for Mr. Moore and this young lady?! Isn't that your job as a Christian to assist another Christian when they are struggling with something? Isn't it your right as a law abiding citizen to do something that may hurt one or both? I commend the ones who are sticking up for their Church and their Pastor. But remember man will fail you, Pastor Carroll failed me and many others. He's just a man...a man imho who should not be in the pulpit. If, IF, Pastor Carroll knew about this he should have nipped it in the bud long, long ago. He should have offered counceling for Mr. Moore to help him with his obvious sickness toward this young lady.
Posted by: PROUD LBC MEMBER on May 1, 2008 at 09:07 AM
I am speaking only to former members-How dare you attack my church and my Pastor. I was saved under this ministry. Nowhere in all your comments do you share what you are doing for the Lord since you let this horrible place. Nothing about how many souls you've led to the Lord,how you are serving in your new church,people YOU have been a blessing to,or how close your walk with the Lord is. No, by your comments, it's clear to see your heart is cold and full of bitterness-unable to forgive. It's obvious your only desire is to see this ministry destoyed. I can't imagine attacking anyone like this , must less fellow christians. Yes, SHAME ON YOU. I would be afraid if I were you--ask yourself this--Who is getting the victory God or the devil??? If you say God--tell me how He is glorified in any of this. I make no excuses of my loyalty for my church, my Pastor or my Saviour. I challenge each one of you critics to spend as much time in prayer as you do trying to tear down this ministry.
Posted by: another former member Location: colorado springs on May 1, 2008 at 08:11 AM
friend of Jon.....Mr. Moore was wrong. PERIOD. A man in position of trust..think of that terminology - It means that he is to be totally trusted to handle all situations and to always look out for the best interest of the child. He didn't. He is at fault. If he was too weak to handle a girl flirting (if that is what she did and I don't know if that is true or not) with him, then he should have stepped down from that position. to Outsider...it doesn't seem like you are an outsider by your words! Are you the Pastor in disguise???
Posted by: former member Location: cos on May 1, 2008 at 07:31 AM
The point here is that Jon did something he shouldn't have, with a MINOR. You say she should have stopped it. Yeah, maybe she should have. But the point is that it was against the law. Everyone is forgetting that little point. Whether she agreed, went along with it, started it all, whatever, it's against the law and Jon is the one, if found guilty, who will take the blame for that. He's the adult. Do not blame this girl whatsoever. I don't care if she ran to him with no clothes on, this isn't HER fault, period. So stop trying to JUSTIFY WHY this happened. I think the former members were trying to get the LBC members to see what COULD be going on behind the scenes, not start a turf war. BUt this is getting nasty and everyone needs to mellow. And no one knows really who is saying what since not many names are on here, so don't try to guess why we left, if we had something to do with it, etc. We have said our peace, now let's let God do the work in people's hearts.
Posted by: LBC member Location: cos on May 1, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Past member, no matter what happens, there will always be an excuse as to why NOT to go to church. You know that and I know that. Of course we ALL have the extra fingers pointing back at us. So do you. You know that you played a major part in why you are no longer a part of our church. If you felt like this were "brushed under the rug", why didn't YOU speak up? Oh wait, it is because your mind was being controlled, right? You are all ludicris in thinking that Pastor Carroll would allow such a thing to go on. Idiotic to think this.
Posted by: Radar Location: COS on May 1, 2008 at 12:08 AM
For the member who refuses to admit their pastor knew about this.....I am sure that he perhaps carries that oath with him, like other clergy, where he has to keep things confidential. And that's OK....however, to have known about this situation several years ago and continue to keep Mr. Moore in his position of trust, is inexcusable. Others were ousted from that church and other areas of ministry for far less crimes than this. I think that's where the heartburn is. Us former members can understand your loyalty to your church, your pastor, your faith, your friends. We also had those same feelings when members. I think we're all just saying that while this situation is being investigated, perhaps take a closer look inside your leadership. Others have fallen, it's human nature. We have fallen, we're human. We shouldn't judge each other but we are commanded to look after one another and I think that's what is going on here, just others giving you caution lights! Peace!
Posted by: Friend of Moore Location: Cos on Apr 30, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Furthermore, she was not and is NOT a "little girl". He is a grown man and should have never let it get to this point. NEVER. He did. BUT.....AGAIN......READ THIS.....BUT, she did nothing to stop it. She could have had her druthers about her enough to say either..STOP, or to tell her parents. I don't understand why the person below says they can "PROVE" this. REALLY? Are you willing to put your name out there, because you need to step up to the plate, No, you SHOULD have stepped up to the plate. Where were YOU as a friend? As for Jacob Wright, hey buddy, let me know what you'll be wearing on Sunday when you come visit our church, and I will be holding a cup of kool-aide for you. It is insanity the crazy things that former members are saying. Also, I will tell you, Pastor Carroll is one of the most ethical, upfront people I have ever met. I know there have been a few things, I have known about, and YES he called the police in. Did everyone in the church hear about it? NOPE
Posted by: Friend of Moore Location: COS on Apr 30, 2008 at 11:01 PM
No it didn't get to "hot" in here. It just seems the subject of the matter got very ridiculous and is unfounded. The TOPIC here is what has occured, not about the church. It is ridiculous to assume that you know the goings on in our church if you have never attended. It is also ridiculous the accusations that the "former LBC members" are making. If they left and felt like they couldn't do anything in our church, then they didn't make it their own church, they made it a place of just getting together. Church is a place where one goes to hear about God, worship God. We don't "worship" our Preacher. The Bible CLEARLY....CLEARLY states that a man of the cloth...Jim Carroll, our Pastor, is to be held in respect. We in the church respect him. I could air some dirty laundry here, but I choose not to. I could give details here, but choose not to. Either you wanted to be at the church or you didn't. I am not one of Jon's family members..of this earth, but he is a brother of mine.
Posted by: Former member Location: COS on Apr 30, 2008 at 10:43 PM
To the now member of LBC, let me inform you..........DIRTY LAUNDRY WAS ALWAYS SPOKEN FROM THE PULPIT!!! He would ask for prayers for that person or family, but found it necessary to explain the problems to the WHOLE congregation!!! YOU have NO idea what you are talking about!! Needless to say, you have never been HURT by it either. Fortunate you. Watch your back, it's a matter of time!!
Posted by: Leo Location: Co on Apr 30, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Look all you Members, Former Members, X-Members need to stop turning this into a rediculous turf war using this little girls traumatic experiance to propel your own agendas quite frankly its discusting!
Posted by: past member Location: cos on Apr 30, 2008 at 04:53 PM
In response to "current member", shame on the "former members"?? Wow you have a lot of nerve. What about all the members trying to make excuses as to why this man sinned and blaming the girl. I think more people are apt to not go to church because of that. Christians have a bad name for being hypocritical already. Then to have those who judge people come back and judge this girl and try to excuse Mr. Moore? That's unbelievable. Go ahead and point your finger at us, but look at all your fingers pointing back at you. We never said we were without sin. Maybe you should stop putting blame on us and take a look INSIDE your church for a change.
Posted by: Leo Location: Co. on Apr 30, 2008 at 04:41 PM
first of all there is kno way you could know if the pastor knew cause if he did he would be an accessory to a felony. Secondly, I wanna know one thing.... Where did friend of Jon go??? oh ya he got called out it got hot and he didnt have a pair to stay in the kitchen. I do have a serious question though, were you really just a friend of jons? or his wife or a ticked off child of his??
Posted by: PROUD LBC MEMBER on Apr 30, 2008 at 02:14 PM
1st let me say I love my church family and my Pastor. It amazes me how we go from an article on Jon to condemning the church, the pastor, and the girl. I can say, without any doubt, that my Pastor had no knowledge of this tragedy. If you out there(Taylor) are so certain he did, why haven't you gone to the police with your proof? Haven't you committed a crime by withholding evidence like this in a criminal case? No, you have none it's just your opinion. Amen to Outsider, much of what that person said I agree with. It has been my experience that the ones who complain the most do the least. I can understand the comments from the lost they have their own agenda, but to those of you who say you are a Christian, be careful---God is very specific in His Word how he feels about talebearers and those that cause division in HIS family. You have done more to hurt the name of our Saviour than any lost person. Finally,if you REALLY want to serve, there are many opportunities to do so here.
Posted by: Cheryl Location: COS on Apr 30, 2008 at 02:10 PM
Outsider, do you not understand why all of these people are responding to this story? Because of comments left by members of this church. When a person says that an innocent girl needs to take some of the blame and they won't put the fault where it belongs (fully) it angers other people. I have stood by reading all of these comments, and as I don't agree with the way some people got their points across, I do agree with the message they are trying to send. Obviously, there is something going on within the administration that has got all of these people worked up. There is always a reason for someone's leaving a church. I have been following this story, not only on this news station but others as well. And what I see is a pastor who does not want to admit he made a mistake in appointing this man. He sounds as if he thinks this girl may have some blame. And the fact that he hasn't stepped up to say anything appropriate is very concerning. I haven't heard this man say anything "pastor like"
Posted by: Former Member Location: COS on Apr 30, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Why is everyone attacking the pastor in this situation? Jon is the guilty person, not the pastor. The former members who have posted things on this page ought to be ashamed of yourselves! If you are truly Christians you would be praying for this church instead of bashing it! Our enemy should be Satan and not each other. Whether you left for a good reason or not, you're still going to have to spend eternity with each other, so you might want to start getting along here on earth. Did any of you ever consider you might be partially to blame for your decision to leave? I agree with going and starting your own church~~talk about a perfect church!!!
Posted by: Current Member Location: Colorado Springs on Apr 30, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Everyone read my post at 4:07 on the 29th, maybe you missed it. Doesn't the Bible say, "Judge not lest ye be judged?" Who are you to point your finger and say who is and isn't guilty. That's GOD's job. Just worry about the beam in your own eye before you start worrying about the moat in everyone else's eye. Everyone should be turning to the Bible right now for help and I don't see any sign of that. Maybe this should be time for self examination.
Posted by: Former Location: cos on Apr 30, 2008 at 11:20 AM
"Outsider", whose being negative? You are! You don't know "our kind" All of us have different reasons for leaving that church and I can guarantee none of them are because we got our toes stepped on! We are not "sowing discord", we are trying to open their eyes to what took us years to find out. Unfortunately something will have to happen to them personally before they will see what we are tailkng about. I bet Jon Moore and/or his family are finding that out for themselves now. They looked down upon so many, now it is their turn to be looked down upon by their own.
Posted by: Another former LBC member Location: Colorad on Apr 30, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Ahh the ignorance of Outsider!!! I remember being in a similar situation as this young girl while a member of LBC. Pastor Carroll was so compasionate and caring that he told me it was MY FAULT that I had been raped. Yeah, he is a great guy and a wonderful leader...and I'm the Queen of Sheeba. Like I said, there is NOTHING Christ-like about Pastor Carroll. He is arrogant, judgmental, not always truthful, uncaring and out for his own self. Christ was NONE of those attributes. And for the one who said that Pastor Carroll didn't know what was happenening in the Church...really?! I think I would wa