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Updated: 3:04 PM Apr 29, 2008
The Story of Jacob Ind
Children who commit first degree murder in Colorado can be sentenced to life in prison as early as 14 years old. Are some kids too young to be sentenced to life? Here's a look at one memorable story from Southern Colorado. Posted: 9:55 PM Apr 28, 2008Reporter: Stephanie Ross Email Address: sross@kktv11news.com |
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Posted by: Donna
Location: Colorado Springs
on Apr 29, 2008 at 04:29 PM
It seems that battered women get more understanding than children. Jacob was sexually, physically, emotionally abused. Look rather at how the victims family (his own extended family) and they urged leniency due to the situation. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: alawyer
Location: arlington va
on Apr 29, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Children suffering from childhood abuse syndrome do not have the same mental capacity to conform their acts to the law - it is not an adult crime because an adult can pick up and leave - children often are at the mercy of their abusers. Often abused kids suffer from PTS as well as Stockholm Syndrome - they identify with their abusers. These cases are well documented, well studied and well understood in the law enforcement community. Blame the adults - not the kids. Often these kids do not have the emotional ability - after years of prolonged abuse - to get help or extract themselves. This isn't the same as coming from rotten circumstances - it is a recognized psychological condition. Kids almost universally commit patricide against abusers. It is rare indeed that some undeserving adult gets wacked by a son or daughter - though it can happen. This case seems very notorious for the abuse the kid suffered. If an adult killed someone who abused him, we would call it manslaughter. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Rachel
Location: Black Forest
on Apr 29, 2008 at 03:42 PM
I was abused, but I didn't murder my parents. They beat me, burned me, kicked me, sexually abused me, and tossed me out of the house at age 8 to live on the streets by myself until social services made them take me back or do prison. I still didn't murder them. To all these idiots who are feeling sorry for the "abused" Jacob kid, stop! You insult people who have really been abused and are not murderers. I don't have any contact with my parents now except through the courts. They are still trying to make my life hell but can't because it's my choice to live a normal life, a happy life. I'm in tons of therapy, but I still will never harm my parents. It never occurred to me then or now. Even as I begged them to stop, I never thought of murder. I hope he rots in jail! [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Support of Judicial System
Location: Colorado
on Apr 29, 2008 at 03:08 PM
This kid deserves to be in prison for the rest of his life. Killing your parents? Who thinks to do that? Just because this kid said the violence was part of his life who is this world is it not a part of? It is in the media everyday and around you constantly. The letter sounds like a big excuse to me. He sounds like he is trying to prove that he is a victim when in reality his parents who gave birth to him are the victims. This is just another case of poor me, if the kid no matter what age commits a crime like this they deserve to do the time. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Jennifer
Location: COS
on Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33 PM
I completely agree with Jeff. And by making an example of these 2 boys, perhaps other teenagers will think twice before they take the life of another. I am so sick of people making excuses for kids that come from a bad home. Do you think they are the only ones? I came from a bad home but you don't see me out there killing people. Keeping teenagers from driving, drinking, and smoking is for their own good and safety. And like Jeff said, how come when teens are good they are called young adults, but when they commit a crime all of a sudden they get treated like a 7 year old who doesn't know right from wrong. I remember when I was 15, I definitely knew that murder was wrong. The only 15 year old that might not know that is a mentally handicapped one. I am tired of defense lawyers and sympathetic women giving kids an excuse for their bad behavior. It's just ridiculous. And like the other guy said, If you're old enough to do the crime, then you're old enough to do the time. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: ami
Location: idaho
on Apr 29, 2008 at 01:14 PM
This is a difficult subject. I feel that If they are not tried a adults their mental status should be addressed while they are locked in the state hospital..... [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Jeff
Location: Colorado Springs
on Apr 29, 2008 at 12:35 PM
It bothers me when people call 15, 16, 17 year olds "children". They do it so they can elicit a sympathetic response. When doing a positive story on teen achievements, they are called "young adults" or "adolescents", why not when they commit cold-blooded murder? Frankly, had he gone to the courts about the abuse, he would have been close to old enough to be declared "emancipated" and given adult rights. I can't help that remember that 90 years ago both of my grandfathers were 15 year olds that had finished their formal schooling and were working full time and supporting themselves. "Children" cannot do that. I think it is terrible that there are people that think a 15 year old has no idea what he's doing when he brutally slays two people in their own bed. Those people must not know many 15 year olds. I work with them all the time (as a teacher), and I can say that while their reasoning is not that of a fully mature adult, they do have the ability to distinguish right from wrong. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Stephanie
Location: Colorado Springs
on Apr 29, 2008 at 10:38 AM
This would be a tough situation. Children don't think like adults, but at the same time can do adult things. Had he been a little bit younger, it would've been better to try him as a juvenile, but even with him being tried as an adult, he should still have the possibility of parole after so long. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Kim Johnston
Location: Park hill neighborhood
on Apr 29, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Most of your juvenile were abuse and mistreated for years. Where can they turn to when they are enslave in a dark hell hole.They end up with a rotten childhood and are two vulnerable to transition to adulthood. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Paul
Location: Ft. Carson
on Apr 29, 2008 at 09:45 AM
"L" I would love to live in your little world, according to you I could have gotten away with all kinds of stuff when I was young, just because I was a child. I had a similar thing happen in my family, where a cousin killed his grandparents because they would not give him money for drugs. He dismembered them and burried them under the concrete floor in the basement, he was 16 at the time, and I hope he stays in prison until the day he dies. By the way, neither his grandparents or parents abused him, actually he lived a privledged life. IF YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU SHOULD DO THE TIME!!!!!! [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: db
Location: Colorado Springs
on Apr 29, 2008 at 09:26 AM
These kids/monsters got what they deserved. I feel bad for the kid if he was abused, but if you murder someone in their sleep, you should do life ... at the minimum. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Tina
Location: Security
on Apr 29, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Children might think differently than adults but they still know right from wrong. You can't tell me he didn't know that he shouldn't kill his parents and that it was immorale and illegal. I do agree that as juveniles they should not be sentenced for life but past a certain age they should not be tried as juvelines for henious crimes they should be tried as adults. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Tina
Location: Colorado Springs
on Apr 29, 2008 at 08:40 AM
I have just moved to colorado from New Mexico and learning about they way the law is here opposed to New Mexico is scary. New Mexico does not treat its Juveniles as adults with out just cause. The fact that a young child killed his abusers and then is sentenced to spend the rest of his life behind bars is just wrong. the system failed Jacob he was born to live a life of violence child services did nothing and the courts did nothing to help him. Jacob killed not just an abuser but two pedophiles. and yet, Colorado know wants to use the death penalty as a deterrent to pedophiles. I have working the the justice system with sex offenders long enough to know if these two individuals were abusing their own children they were abusing others. I am just an outsider lookin in at Colorado and if the citizens of Colorado allow the DA's office to have so much power in the situation good luck when its your child who is in trouble. ALL THE SUPPORT to Jacob! [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Ronda
Location: CSC
on Apr 29, 2008 at 07:55 AM
I belive if they do a adult crime they should be tried as a adult. Although you don't do or say things like that to your children. You get help when there is abuse, you don't murder your parents to me that was permeditated murded. So yes he should be tried as a adult. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: alawyer
Location: arlington va
on Apr 29, 2008 at 07:40 AM
Ind obviously suffered from child abuse syndrome and that defense should have been permitted in court as it is in a number of other states. The Cody Posey case in New Mexico comes to mind - all child abuse sydrome cases can be and should be heard in juvenile courts. While the dead adults do not "deserve to die" they cause their own deaths by their cruelty and brutality. Children commit less than 13% of violent crimes but in many cases suffer consequences more severe than adults under current laws. Children are much more likely to be the victims of adults than adults are of children - yet to read newspapers or watch vicious talking heads, you would think that the kids are the problem - no. Google any day and there are hundreds or cases of children being abused by adults and very few cases of children striking back. Kids that do strike back can be handled in five years or less in the right facility and returned to society with little fanfare. Many have. Free Ind. He did his time. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Mel
Location: Woodland Park
on Apr 29, 2008 at 07:22 AM
Each and every adult in the Woodland Park community and Colorado can judge Jacob and Gabriel for their actions that day, and I'm not saying those actions were right. Did any of us live through what Jacob and his brother had to live through-do any of us know for certain what really went on? Jacob admitted to the killings and I don't believe for an instant that the abuse he suffered at the hands of Kermode and his mother are excuses for his actions. He was a child with a child's mind, maturity and intellect and innocence but he was stripped of that when he was forced to "be an adult" and was tried, convicted and sentenced as an adult. Unfortunately Jacob and his brother were sentenced to life long before the murders took place, their sentence began the day Kermode Jordan came into their lives. Both those young men will have to live with the memories that Kemode and Pamela inflicted on them and the Woodland Park community failed those boys and in some ways are just as guilty as Jacob was. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Becky N
Location: CO Springs
on Apr 29, 2008 at 07:15 AM
I think that anyone who thinks people don't know right from wrong after the age of four years old and wants the release of murderers - or it not to be legal to sentence them as adults - should adopt the individual, have them live in their home with their families and be totally repsonsible for them for the equivalent of their sentence. I'm all for that! [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Daniel
Location: Memphis
on Apr 29, 2008 at 06:53 AM
Jacob was a bully. Try getting slammed up against your locker and being told he was going to kill you. Spending the rest of 7th grade looking out for him to avoid confrontation. He was violent and I saw him do the same thing to other kids in my class. Abuse or not, there's a long line of teachers and adults who let him get away with his actions as they were. Now he's in jail and I can't think of a better place for him. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: diane grover
Location: canon city
on Apr 29, 2008 at 06:35 AM
i am sick of all this being brought up all the time the boy got just what he should of my doughter went to school with an was there the day this went down the kids were afread of him an got out of his way an after he did this he went to school like it was just another day you need to talk to the kids that did go to school with an not just read this book that that she wrote diane grover [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: joe
Location: kansas
on Apr 29, 2008 at 02:04 AM
the only shame "L," is that they are still breathing clean fresh air that should be reserved for upstanding citizens who DO NOT commit such horrific atrocities toward another human being. but, life in prison is a good start. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: Betsy
Location: Colorado Springs
on Apr 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I worked with Kermode Jordan for years at Digital Equipment Corp. I was always seeking him out to sign off engineering change orders. The late afternoon the day before he was killed I had to go into his favorite haunt "the smoking room" for a signature. We sat and had a good talk. His murder tore at all our hearts in our tight community at DEC. I beleive the life sentence in this case is justified because of the brutal manner of the murder. Kermode had tried to cover her with his body to protect her. For years I have not been able to get this picture out of my mind. [ Report Abuse ]
Posted by: L
Location: Woodland Park
on Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I have children, all grown up now, but not much younger than Jacob is now. Personally I'm ashamed to live in a state that has the distinction of the greatest number of children sentenced to life in prison without parole. Is this Colorado's legacy? I would hope not. I knew Jacob then, only as an acquiantance; I knew Gabe very well. Children are children, they are not adults. Children don't think like adults do, act like adults, but let a tragedy like this one occur, ironically and sadly enough our society says we can punish them like adults. Doesn't seem quite intelligent or fair to me in a civilized world. Colorado won't let children drive, work more than a set number of hours, they can't drink alcohol, they can't marry and the list goes on; so why should we treat them like adults when they commit a crime, even one as gruesome and heinous as this. What has been gained by keeping these children behind bars? Nothing at all except a waste of life and unknown potential. It's a shame. [ Report Abuse ] |
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Wake up people.....that defend these parents.....there is a volume of evidence and testimony that Kermode sodomized both these children, raped them repeatedly, and beat them with belt bucklers amongst other things from 2 1/2 years of age. The sexual assaults continued up until the time Jacob killed them. It was reported that Pam was involved in sexual relations definitely with Jacob and probably with Charles. As an outsider looking in my take is that these two were the sickest and most sadistic people ever. Even Pam's close friends and her PARENTS SAID THEY SEXUALLY ABUSED THESE TWO CHILDREN. I am not saying that it was right to murder them; but I can see how it happened. I think it was self defense. Here is to the woman who worked with poor pitiful Kermode. If your little family was so tight, then how did these two get away with the ritualistic sexual assaults and brutality on these kids? There were many many reports of people stating that both sexually assaulted their sons.
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I knew Gabreil Adams and his parents very well from when they lived in North Carolina. Gabreil's dad and myself are close friends and still keep in touch. I know that Gabreil was raised in a Christian home with two good parents. In school Grabriel was top of his class and very well liked by others in the community. Gabe grew up in the county with nearest town being about 7 miles away and having a population of only 1000 people. Everyone in the community just knew that Gabe was going to have a promising future. When the news of what happend got back to North Carolina everyone was shocked. You could have knocked me down with a feather. People around here still have a hard time believing that this is the same Gabe they knew years ago as a child. The only thing that I know is that all the families concerned in this tragedy have suffered and still today have to live with what happend. If Gabe or Jacob have any kind of heart, they are having to deal with what happend everyday.
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jacob should be free his brother had told the social worker about the abuse going on at home they should had done something about you cant punish him for self defense.
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I wonder why we sentence children so much harsher than we sentence adults? Many people who kill do not get Life without parole. I wonder if it is just easier to punnish children, or if it is because we all know OUR child could never do something like that. But here is a thought-What if it was your child? I do not think justice is about desroying a person. It is about punnishment, retribution and rehabilitation. Jacob is not a monster, he is not a Ted Bundy. He did something that can never be undone. He will live with it for the rest of his life. But he still has a life and there is still hope for him. Let the experts who know how to deal with this examine him and see if they feel he could be let out or not. But a law, or a sentence that says no chance.... for you..ever... thats wrong.
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Red move him in with you and your family. Sleep with your eyes open and don't be late with his dinner...you might not be here to type on this blog. HE NEEDS TO BE KEPT IN JAIL.
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You lawyers make me sick. Always have a reason for why people act the way they do. I'm sure you have some clinical reason to explain why Hitler or Stalin or Manson killed all the people they did too. They must have been abused, right? Bottom line these boys are COLD BLOODED killers. They willingand with premeditation murdered their parents. I agree with Mary Ellen about a life sentence--they should have gotten the death sentence. How many more people have to be murdered, women raped, children molested before we get our fill. I know many of you will say it's not a deterrent, I beg to differ, at least that person will never commit another crime. What right do they have to ANY kind of a life when they took the life of someone else? Why is it they are mature enough to be given condoms to have sex like an adult, but if they commit a crime they're just children? I'll bet you bleeding hearts would feel differently if it was one of your loved ones who was murdered-but we'll probably never know.
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You know Rachel, I myself was also abused by my father growing up and I never killed him, but I do feel for Jacob and his situation. There are varying degrees of abuse and depending on your state of mind, people deal with it differently. You overcame your abuse, he didn't. Does that mean he must suffer eternally for a bad decision on his part? I don't believe so. Obviously the state doesn't think so anymoe either otherwise the laws would never have been changed.
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Gee, M, I hope he moves next door to you and your family why he is getting "therapy". I am sure he has learned some lovely habits in prison. Releasing him gives kids everywhere unspoken permission to resolve their problems with murder. We have enough of that going on in schools and the streets. People who kill at any age need to be removed from society. The more kids get away with crime, the bolder the crimes are becoming. Erin Caffey, the 16 yr old who plotted to kill her parents because they didn't approve of her adult boyfriend ring a bell ? Her innocent brothers were murdered, too. Bottom line is we will never hear Jacob's parents side of the story and whether the abuse is true or not, will we ?
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Anonymous, you need jail!
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He needs jail.
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There is a book out called "The Murder of Jacob". It tells what he and his brother had to go through for years. I can't believe that anyone that went through what he did, comes out unharmed. Yes he was wrong, but I believe he truley did not think there was an alternative. He needs therapy and help, not life behind bars.
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Let him rot in jail. He killed his parents. It does not matter how old he was at the time. He knew what he was doing. Maybe this will send a message out, you kill someone you die in jail. Simple.
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The whole world needs a facelift on there morals. Seems like the antichrist is coming...
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Jacob Ind and Gabriel Adams were convicted of murder, as they should have been. It's been 15 years. Shouldn't the question now be whether or not they deserve a shot at parole? If not now, then in five years? Ten? We don't sentence all convicted murderers to life without parole and since 2006 don't sentence juveniles in Colorado to life without parole anymore. Murder is always wrong, no question, but that doesn't mean that juveniles who kill should never be given the possibility of parole.
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Children don't think like adults? Yeah, most of them don't plan to murder people with their buddies. Kids that kill should stay in jail so other kids can think of their actions before it happens. They get away with it once it becomes a solution to everything for them. Look how many armed robberies and murders there are, most people didn't learn the values you were supposed to in Kindergarten....keep your hands to yourself, don't steal etc. It's easy to say he was a kid until that kid murders someone you love...or you.
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